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This is a 1914 Model, chamber dated 1917 Dutch DWM 8" model with the 800 meter adjustable rear sight mounted on the barrel. The 1920's pistole is the typical collection of WWI elements and in this case what appears to be a Dutch frame with the "Rust" pointed downward for the short sear.       (1622) 

 

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This is a 9mm weapon with all the matching parts marked in the commercial manner (hidden). The barrel is 200mm and it has an adjustable front site. The frame has the stock lug and the thumb safety. The thumb safety is marked "RUST" and extractor is unmarked.  The barrel is numbered and proofed to the weapon. The inside of the gun is clean and well cared for.

There is minimal holster wear and the grips show the fine diamond pattern.  The springs and small parts still show the fire blue and the strawed parts are excellent. The barrel inside is shiny with distinctive lands and grooves.  The magazine is clean and grips match the gun.

The original intent was to issue the 8" weapon to gun boat crews but it then became standard issue to machine gun crews and artillery units.

 

Acknowledging a requirement to protect the crew served weapons the German army was in search of a shorter, more lightweight weapon than the G98.  The Luger Carbine was well known (the Kaiser hunted with one), so the idea for a long barreled pistol with a stock was an easy jump to make.  In 1914 DWM produced a very few "artillery" models when the decision was made for the Royal Arsenal at Erfurt to produce the 8" Parabellum and DWM to produce the 4" version. DWM with the greater capacity to expand in 1915 produced both the short and long barrel versions.

 

There are those occasions when we receive Lugers that are in simply beautiful condition and it makes one very thankful of the former custodians of these fine pieces for the care and maintenance that they provided over the years to keep these Parabellums in the minty shape that we can enjoy today. When this Luger finds a good home hopefully generations to come will enjoy its craftsmanship even after surviving a war.

The left side of the receiver has the crown "N" which was the officail nitro proofing required on all non-military guns after WWI.

The serial numbers are marked in the "commercial manner" meaning they are hidden on the bottom of locking lever and sideplate. This Luger has all matching parts and "Germany" stamped on the bottom of the magazine. Commercial serial numbers ended during WWI in approximately 76,000 range (5 digits) and continued after the war until they hit the 90,000 range when the need for a suffix was required to prevent a seven digit number.

Sometimes in examination people think the leaf site is bent.  However, when raising the site to the full 800 meter position reveals a 7 left movement.  This design compensates for the rifling on the 200 mm barrel which gives the bullet a twist in flight and if properly adjusted will permit a corrected point of impact.  Another example of Luger engineering.

 

Note the Crown on the side of the receiver. Up to the end of the war the Crown N was in the horizontal position or Lazy Crown N.  After the war while the Crown was dropped on all other proofs with the abdication of the Kaiser it was retained in the vertical position for the commercial models until changed in the '30s. This LP08 also has the short sear (adopted in 1912).

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This 100 year old gun has been cared for by other custodians to preserve it for us today in this pristine condition. The inside of the gun is clean and reflects the effort for cleaning the past 94 years. Lugers that are stored for any period of time should have the wooden grips at least waxed on the inside to protect contact with the metal.
Above Left: More details emerge with an inspection of the rear main axel pin. In 1932 the Reichswehrministerium issued an order that the rear main axel pin be serial numbered to the gun which undoubtedly dates the gun to the Mauser era. The downward "Rust" is only found on the 1928 "KL" due to the German military adoption of Georg Luger's short sear adopted in 1916. Above Right: The stop lug has been renumbered to the '05' to match the frame and the strike mark is clean; telling us the barrel and receiver were matched on this assembly for the first time.
The revision to walnut grips with the fine diamond cut and serial numbered to the gun. The firing pin shows us the old style unvented pin with the serial number plased vertically to the length of the firing pin. In both cases the signs point to DWM parts that were assembled by Mauser for the commercial market in early 1930.
There are no Imperial proofs and the Crown 'N' acceptance stamp appears on the left side of the receiver and the barrel. 
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To unravel the history of this gun we need some facts and the secrets of the gun to reveal its origin. We know the war abruptly ended November 11, 1918.  By the end of 1927 the Allied Control Commission ended its activities and production began un-abated. Our big clue comes from August Weiss, Mauser production manager who posted that on July 1928 deliveries of 3,820  Dutch Pistole were delivered serial number 10182 to 14001 inclusive..

 

Occam's razor, a principle of logic: The principle can be interpreted as "Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected". With all the signs hanging on the Parabellum, and from our written history, the fewest assumptions brings us to a 1928 Dutch frame with the "down Rust", serial numbered at the end of the Dutch KL contract with a 200mm 1917 assembled barrel and a 1933 rear main axel pin designed for export.

The Dutch were interested in the Lange Pistole-08 back in 1913 during the German test trials. A model was produced for the Dutch, serial #4 with a stock that the entire gun fit in much like the Mauser C96 stock.  There was particular interest in the Dutch Indes army but the Prussians were in contract with DWM for the same gun and the Dutch interest waned.

It is entirely subjective to give any Luger a rating of excellent or fine, just as it is to declare it xx% blued or strawed. Few Lugers are out of the box new and these are premium priced. Bluing percentages is like Beauty, in the eye of the beholder.  We strive to provide pictures so you can judge for yourself if the gun meets your criteria.
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Conclusion: All indications are is that the frame was part of the 1928 delivery by Mauser of the Dutch "Air Force" series by the serial number following the Dutch contract order. Perhaps an over-run. The barrel and parts are all DWM made and the Crown N instead of the Crown U for Mauser is intriguing but not unseen in these early guns meant for Stoeger and other export locations.

 

Imperial German Machine Gun Crew some armed with the LP08 (Lange Pistole) or Artillery model, some with 100mm Lugers and some with the older Reich Revolver.

This is an excellent example of the dated 1917/28 Artillery in minty condition without any of the basic Imperial proofs but with the Dutch safety markings and four serial numbers beyond the Dutch 1928 contract. The numbered rear main axel pin puts it post 1933. If you are collecting the dated artilleries then you know how hard it is to find a 1920's assembled long barrel Luger. This Dutch Artillery in this well preserved condition. 

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