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This is a 1914 Model, chamber dated 1914 Erfurt  8" model with the 800 meter adjustable rear sight mounted on the barrel. The 1914 Chamber Date is one of the most difficult of the Artillery models in this pristine condition.  There is minimal holster wear and the grips are like new.  The springs and small parts still show the fire blue and the strawed parts are excellent.       (1689) 

In 1914 the decision was made to devote the entire plant at the Royal Arsenal at Erfurt to the production of the Artillery (Lange Pistole, LP-08) and DWM was stopped in approximately March of 1914 from producing the 150mm version of the Parabellum.  As it turned out the craftsman at Erfurt who were making rifles and the requirement of training and catch-up in skills for the LP-08 reflected in the production not meeting the goals.

 

After 1914 Erfurt Arsenal produced only the P-08 (4") barreled Lugers and made the 1914 model LP-08 a coveted collectible for model day investors.

 

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This is a 9mm weapon with all the matching parts marked in the military manner (exposed). The barrel is 200mm and it has an adjustable front site. The frame has the stock lug and the thumb safety. The thumb safety is marked "Gesichert" and extractor "Geladen".  The barrel is numbered and proofed to the weapon. The inside of the gun is clean and well cared for. 

This is a 9mm weapon with all the matching parts marked in the military manner (exposed). The barrel is 200mm and it has the adjustable site.  The Imperial proofs are well struck and tell the story of the gun.  The barrel inside is shiny with distinctive lands and grooves.  The magazine is clean and grips match the gun.

The Imperial proofs are well struck and tell the story of the gun.  The barrel inside is shiny with distinctive lands and grooves.  The magazine is clean and grips match the gun. The original intent was to issue the 8" weapon to gun boat crews but it then became standard issue to machine gun crews and artillery units.

 

 

Acknowledging a requirement to protect the crew served weapons the German army was in search of a shorter, more lightweight weapon than the G98.  The Luger Carbine was well known (the Kaiser hunted with one), so the idea for a long barreled pistol with a stock was an easy jump to make.  In 1914 DWM produced a very few "artillery" models when the decision was made for the Royal Arsenal at Erfurt to produce the 8" Parabellum and DWM to produce the 4" version. DWM with the greater capacity to expand in 1915 produced both the short and long barrel versions.

Here is a posed machine gun crew wearing the Lange Pistole 08 on both their belts and the left soldier with the carrying strap. This type employment of the "carbine" was for the protection of the crew who had to carry the gun, the ammunition (not loaded in the picture) the water (this was a water cooled) and protect the gunner and themselves.

 

In 1914 the decision was made to devote the entire production of the Lange Pistole (LP)08 to the Erfurt Imperial Arsenal and that DWM would produce the 100mm (4") Luger.  This ceased production of the DWM 1914 and these models are very difficult to find dated in the 1914 series. Undoubtedly this one was assembled or taken from stock after the war during the period before the Allied Commission denied Germany the ability to produce 9mm Parabellums with a barrel length exceeding 99mm, (to effectively cut off the Luger).  DWM simply took 2 mm off the end and continued to make the 98mm barrel until 1933 when Hitler abolished all restrictions.

The serial numbers are marked in the "military manner" meaning they are exposed on the parts. This Luger has all matching parts. The low 4 digit serial number without a suffix puts this Parabellum in the early part of 1914. The Germany stamp on the receiver and stock indicate that the gun was assembled for export sales and most likely to the US where demand had resumed for the Luger because of the experience with it by the Doughboys.

Sometimes in examination people think the leaf site is bent.  However, when raising the site to the full 800 meter position reveals a 7 left movement.  This design compensates for the rifling on the 200 mm barrel which gives the bullet a twist in flight and if properly adjusted will permit a corrected point of impact.  Another example of Luger engineering.

After the decision at the end of 1914 to discontinue the production of the LP-08 or "Artillery" model the machines at the Arsenal at Erfurt were never modified to refrain from cutting the mortise at the top of the chamber for the leaf sight to set in.  So when you see a post 1914 with this indentation it is not a fluke but simply a decision to not re-tool.

Above Left is the leaf sight that is adjustable for elevation and wind age to 800 meters. Above right is the adjustable front sight.  With a small brass tool one was capable of adjusting the alignment with the rear sight and the shooters eye so that all adjustments could be made from the leaf sight.  This piece was discontinued in early 1917 making this a very rare gun with just two months assembly and a full rig.

 

 

 

Three different rigs for wearing the LP08.

 

 

This 90 year old gun has been cared for by other custodians to preserve it for us today in this pristine condition. The inside of the gun is clean and reflects the effort for cleaning the past 94 years. Lugers that are stored for any period of time should have the wooden grips at least waxed on the inside to protect contact with the metal.

Right Up: Adjustable front sight; up through part of 1917 the Artillery Luger was manufactured with an adjustable front sight.  This was designed as a precision weapon and with the extended barrel and 800m rear sight make it formidable.  Left Up: The Imperial proofs and the Imperial acceptance stamp appears on the receiver and the barrel,.  Note the serial number on the leaf sight.

It is entirely subjective to give any Luger a rating of excellent or fine, just as it is to declare it xx% blued or strawed. Few Lugers are out of the box new and these are premium priced. Bluing percentages is like Beauty, in the eye of the beholder.  We strive to provide pictures so you can judge for yourself if the gun meets your criteria.

Here one can see the extractor marked "Geladen" [Loaded] and with the thumb safety "up" covering the German word "Gesichert" (safe) the safety block behind the sear is down and the gun loaded and ready  to fire.  The extension of the extractor could be felt in the dark give the soldier the assurance he was ready to fire. The magazines match and are Imperial Erfurt Proofed.  Below Miscellaneous Proofs

 

The Erfurt is known for all of the proofs on just about every part of the Parabellum. The early models exhibited these and it is a marvel to think that (as below) in the upper left corner of the leaf sight is the "49" in tiny type indicating this sight went with this gun.

 

 

In 1871, there was much debate about the exact title for the monarch of those German territories (such as free imperial cities, principalities, duchies, and kingdoms) that agreed to unify under the leadership of Prussia, thereby forming the German Empire. Deutscher Kaiser ("German Emperor") was chosen over alternatives such as Kaiser von Deutschland ("Emperor of Germany"), or Kaiser der Deutschen ("Emperor of the Germans"), as the chosen title simply connoted that the new emperor, hearkening from Prussia, was a German, but did not imply that this new emperor had dominion over all German territories. There have only been three Kaisers of the (second) German Empire. All of them belonged to the Hohenzollern dynasty, which, as kings of Prussia, had been de facto leaders of lesser Germany.

In English the word Kaiser is mainly associated with the emperors of the unified German Empire (18711918), in particular with Kaiser Wilhelm II, and with the emperors of Austria-Hungary, in particular with Kaiser Franz Joseph I.

At the end of the war Wilhelm abdicated his throne and Germany became a Republic.

Above Left: German Sturmtrupp overrunning a French trench in an assault in 1918.  Above Right: Sturmmann with a Bergmann Submachinegun and an LP08 both of which were fitted to use the 32 round Trommel magazine

 

This is an excellent example of the dated 1914 Royal Arsenal at Erfurt Artillery in minty condition with all the basic Imperial proofs in very early 1914 production  If you are collecting the dated artilleries then you know how hard it is to find one like this.  Any questions to josef@phoenixinvestmentarms.com. 

 

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