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Known as the M11 by the Dutch first contract consumated in 1911 with DWM.  Basically a 1906 Parabellum with the "RUST" Dutch "Safe", double-sided 'GELADEN' on the extractor and usually the Javanese-grips were significantly courser than the DWM made at the Geweermakersschool in Bavaria. These 'commercial type' 1906 models were adopted to the Dutch requirements and finally assembled by Vickers in 1922 for delivery during the period of restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles.    (1892)

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After WWI, in 1919, DWM began peace time production and to underline this shift was renamed Berlin-Karlesruher Industrie-Werke A.G. in May 1922.  During WWI the Dutch East Indies Army had largely expanded. The existing 1914 order had been cancelled by DWM's wartime production requirements and after the war the Dutch were ready to resume ordering.

  The predecessors of both DWM & Vickers had established links dating back to 1892. The Treaty of Versailles forbade Germany from producing 9mm and barrels of 100mm or longer. The Dutch order of 6000 Parabellums in the depressed time of the post war was a problem to be resolved. DWM response to this 1919 order arranged to deliver all the necessary parts for the "M-11" (Dutch nomenclature for the Luger) to be delivered "in the white" to Vickers, with a few gauges and machines for "final" finishing.

 

Note these are short framed, long-seared '06 models with the 9mm barrel with a 4" (100mm) barrel. Proof marks include the British Proofs under the barrel and the Dutch acceptance of Queen Wilhelmena. These Parabellums were originally shipped "in the white" without the grips and they were blued and grips made and installed by the Dutch in the East Indies.

The Serial number appears on the front of the frame and under the barrel. The last two digits appear at the bottom of the side plate and locking lever, inside on the trigger, the grip safety and other small parts. BELOW:    We can see the British required proofs, the nitrate blued locking lever and magazine release.


Queen Wilhemina:  Although the Netherlands remained neutral during World War I sizeable German investments in the Dutch economy combined with a large trading partnership in goods forced the United Kingdom to blockade the Dutch ports in an attempt to weaken the German The Dutch government traded with Germany in response. German soldiers were given for their rations before an assault. Wilhemina was a 'soldier's queen', being a woman, she could not be Supreme Commander, but she nevertheless used every opportunity she had to inspect her forces. On many occasions she appeared without notice, wishing to see the reality, not a prepared show. She loved her soldiers, but was very unhappy with most of her governments, which used the military as a constant source for budget-cutting. Wilhelmina wanted a small, but well trained and equipped army. However, this was far from the reality. In the war, she felt she was a "Queen-On-Guard." She was always wary of a attack, especially in the beginning. However, violation of Dutch territorial sovereignty came by both Britain and the United States, who, with the blockade, captured many Dutch trade cargo ships in an attempt to disrupt the German war effort. This led to increased tensions between the Netherlands and the Allied forces.

On top of the Luger one can see the British Vickers, LTD on the first toggle and the absence of the DWM characteristic serial numbering on the extractor and first toggle.
The number of Vicker's produced parabellum was exactly 6,000 from 4182-10181. This  rather exclusive club were proofed according to the British Proof Laws under the barrel. There are no gauge markings. The magazine appears to be marked with Indies proofs and while it does not match the gun is truly representative of this model.
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ABOVE LEFT: The grips bear the proof of the  (GS) Geweermakers School meaning this Parabellum, was among those shipped to the Dutch East Indies without grips and they were made and installed in the Indies. ABOVE RIGHT: The Luger in full recoil showing the long sear which denotes this model with the "RUST" pointed upwards.
The diamond grips of the (GS) Geweermakers School are usually more deeply and larger cut. These almost appear as the German produced diamond pattern but they are longer as seen above.
The Front and Rear of the Vicker's P-08 show the full four digit serial number and the last two digits of the serial number appearing on the rear toggle above the lanyard loop. The standard "V" notch rear sight is seen above the serial number on the rear toggle.
Continuing to examine this variation as a 'Commercial' gun we see the right hand side of the firing chamber is not proofed as most military guns. The left side doesn't reflect the serial number but the Crown W (Queen Wilhelmina). Only exactly 6,000 "Vickers" exist and these were shipped in 1928's to Dutch East Indies, some surviving WWII and of those the ones making it to the US can be counted rather quickly.
All the pistols of this order arrived with the Crown "W"; on the serial number guns 1 to 2141 the proof mark was on the right side and on the left side for all the remaining so proofed.

 

Most of the Dutch East or West Indies were refinished before or during the war.  The climate was severe on most of these weapons.  However this Parabellum still has a sharp barrel band, no rounding over on the side rails and the definition on the bolt and rear toggle are remarkable. The small parts still showing the nitrate bluing are immaculate.
In 1919 the Dutch changed their unit marking protocol from the back above the lanyard loop to the side in front of the trigger guard and then again in 1937 came the brass plate which most people are familiar with that used a code for the units. This unit marking represents the Communication Company of the 1st Battalion Engineers. These plates were added to the pistol by the Netherlands Government and usually have various combinations of letters and numbers inscribed thereon. They acted as identification plates for the profusion of military units to whom Lugers were issued. They were not applied to Officer's Parabellums.
Dutch Safety
One of the characteristics of the Dutch Parabellums was the requirement of the Dutch Government that the "Geladen" or 'Loaded' should appear on both side of the extractor. Here we can clearly see the original extractor left & right with markings.

The grips of the Dutch are unique because they didn't come from the gun smith training school in Bavaria who were awash in their own requirements of post war reorganizing from a war-time schedule.  Rather they were shipped without grips to Java and their they were individually crafted, albiet with a much courser diamond but non the less fully function to the Parabellum. Inside the grips are what appear to be proof marks and the left grip appears to be a replacement with the "GS" proof.

 

 

Dutch Luger
The Dutch pistols, especially the Vickers M11 which were sent to the Dutch East Indies suffered from the ravages of the damp weather and jungle conditions. It is very difficult for the purist collector, who doesn't want a gun that was re-blued either in Europe or the East Indies. The quality of work, if this Luger was restored must have been done in Europe. The grip safety has the last two digits of the serial number. The grip safety requires the safety to be 'up' therefore the direction of the "Rust" arrow. 
The Vicker's continue the commercial numbering process with the last two digits of the serial number "hidden"  on the parts and not displayed a DWM proofed and serial numbered the military Parabellums with visible numbers.
The overall condition of this Luger is excellent. Sharp edges and clear proofs render this a very rare Parabellum compared with the standard re-blued firearms of the Dutch East Indies. Their process was known as "browning" from the tint of the salts.
It is entirely subjective to give any firearm a rating of excellent or fine, just as it is to declare it xx% blued or strawed. Few collectible weapons are out of the box new and these are premium priced. Bluing percentages is like Beauty, in the eye of the beholder.  We strive to provide pictures so you can judge for yourself if the gun meets your criteria. Any questions or request for additional purchases email to josef@phoenixinvestmentarms.com This firearm is eligible for transfer to C&R permit holder, even in California.  We are registered with CA DOJ for firearms shipment.

 

This 1928 Vickers Ltd. and is in good - very good condition and offered for direct sale or layaway over-the-counter. This Parabellum show honest holster wear and a strong shiny barrel. This gun may be sold before being posted as such on the internet.


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