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This is a 1927 Simson & Co., Luger made for the German Military.  It is 9mm with a 4" barrel length and is fantastically proofed. This Parabellum has all matching serial numbers to include matching, original grips. Serial number placement is in the military ("exposed") style. The thumb safety is marked "Gesichert" and extractor "Geladen."  The barrel is numbered and proofed and matches the frame. (2013)

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This Simson has the Eagle/6 Simson proofs plus Weimar acceptance mark on the breachblock. The unusual aspect of this gun is that the right side of the receiver is not proofed with the series of inspection proofs.
On the right side we can see the "S" proof on the receiver and the SM-2 stamp which we have not be able to identify. Some that have examined the gun said it is a test gun, some say a presentation.  No written evidence has been found to identify this marking.
Simson Serial Numbering ran from 1 to below 600 on "1925" dated Simson  guns and below 700 for the "1926" dated guns. Simson Parabellum after serial number 700 were undated and bore two-line Simson toggle up to approximately 10000 when the "S" Code toggle was introduced in 1934.  There are no records indicating the annual delivery of Lugers to the Reichswehr, however extrapolation would put production at around 1928-29. 
The Simson early contract ran from 1923 to be renewed annually which mostly covered the re-work of military pistols, The 1925 contract with the Reichswehrministerium (Rw.M) 1934 ending with the "S" marked toggle code.  There were only approximately 12,000 Simson P-08's produced on this contract with the numbering beginning in 1925 with 1 to approximately 2000a.
Our 1927 Date: Well we took the Table from Tinker's Simson Lugers Page 34 which lists 1927 production between 1863-3130 which our Serial 2894 fits nicely. Tinker also states that the "S" code used early and up through the "S" toggles was for private purchase of Parabellum's by officers which was the custom then. This is a likely case, built more as a commercial Luger than a military it still has all the Eagle 6 proofs but no E33, E61, E67, E81 military proofs.

 

Simson & Co., were the designated sole producers of the Parabellum after WWI. Simson began producing Lugers for the Weimar Republic from April 1, 1924 until March 31, 1934. Hence the 1925-1926 chamber dates. Some people write that dated Simpsons' are all re-works; others indicate that after the initial supply of parts from Erfurt were expended Simson built their own. No Simson worker nor documentation has survived to verify all the antidotal history, so we have to surmise most of our information from collective inspections of various guns attributed to Simson and their multitude of identifying proofs.


The Simson early contract ran from 1923 to be renewed annually which mostly covered the re-work of military pistols, The 1925 contract with the Reichswehrministerium (Rw.M) 1934 ending with the "S" marked toggle code.  There were only approximately 11,800 Simson P-08's produced on this contract with the numbering beginning in 1925 with 1 to approximately 2000a.
Simson Luger 1930 Simson
In the above picture you can see the "exposed" four digit serial number, the exact caliber (gauge marking 8.82mm), and the "S" proof on the front trigger guard.  The barrel reveals the serial number and gauge markings while the frame has neither the early Stage I or II proofs. On the right the matching magazine has the Eagle 6 proof while the bottom of the rear frame has two E/6 proofs plus Eagle 6 on the spline.
Above Left: You can sense the cleanliness of this gun from the straw blue on the trigger and locking lever.  You also can see the serial number on all the small matching parts.  Above Right: The grip screw has a E6 proof as does the bottom of the frame at the stock lug have two E6. The magazine has the Eagle 6 at the toe and heel of the bottom.
Here you can see the extractor marked GELADEN and the thumb safety "GESICHERT (thumb down is safe. The GELADEN (LOADED) on the extractor told the shooter both tactilely and visually the gun was read to fire. Close up of the left proofs. One can spend hours finding every detailed part proofed.

 

Simson & Co., manufactured Lugers for the German Military from 1925 to 1934 in Suhl Germany. This weapon shows no evidence of being a re-work or just assembled by Simson from DWM or Erfurt parts.  As with most Lugers, the tale of the gun is in its proofs and these Simson proofs place it as a newly manufactured gun made on or after 1927-29.

 

Simson Luger by Tinker & Johnson list known serial numbers on Page 94 of their  2007 book, Simson Lugers, in which this example is not recorded. This Luger has been well cared for over the years and properly stored in a private collection. It shows the care and preservation that can bring one of these rare guns to us today in minty condition. Truly a wonderful find for the Simson collector. You can see the proof on the right screw and the excellent conditions of the grips.

Above Left: There is a small Eagle 6 on the sear stop and 2nd toggle; the Weimar Dove of Peace proof is on the breach block. Above Right: The last two digits of the serial #94 is under the thumb safety.

Above: The firing pin displays the last two digits of the serial number and shows the Eagle 6 on both the firing pin and firing pin retainer. 

Above Another clue to the age of the gun is provided by the firing pin.  In September 1930 there was an order to begin replacing or modifying the firing pins to provide the flute necessary to pass some of the gas caused by firing out of the chamber. This firing pin is numbered to the gun so instead of looking at the sequentional date of the firing pin we can ascertain the date should have been after 1930.  There was also a requirement in 1932 that the rear main axel pin be marked with the serial number and this gun is not marked therefore we are between 1930-1932 for the final production of this Parabellum.

Simson Serial Numbering ran from 1 to below 600 on "1925" dated Simson  guns and below 700 for the "1926" dated guns. Simson Parabellum after serial number 700 were undated and bore two-line Simson toggle up to approximately 10,000 when the "S" Code toggle was introduced in 1934.  There are no records indicating the annual delivery of Lugers to the Reichswehr, however extrapolation would put production in 1927. The Luger has the short sear and no sear safety; since Simson made no civilian weapons this was a military intended manufacturer.

 

The Simson Luger association was a by-product of the Treaty of Versailles. Then as the only producer of Lugers, Simson inherited (bought?) all the parts, dies and equipment of the Erfurt Arsenal after the First World War. Simson was reluctant when selected to be the only producer recognized to produce the Parabellum. Jeanette Simson (1847-1926) who was a senior partner of the firm, had lost her brother-in-law in the 1870 Franco-Prussian war was strongly opposed to the production of any instruments of war.

 

 

The recent book by Edward Tinker and Graham Johnson, "The Simson Luger" has attempted to document by profusely illustrating the development of the Simson Luger and provides extensive research into this most prized collector Parabellum.  This is a marvelous gun to study for all the proofs it provides.
The grips are the fine diamond in walnut and are in very good condition. On the inside is the full serial number of the gun and the Weimar Dove of Peace, unique for grips but this gun is an anomaly itself.

 

Inside the Parabellum is the hold-open. This device is mortised into the right (top above) side of the frame and is designed to be raised by the follower of the empty magazine to stop the slide from moving forward when the magazine is empty.  Above you can see the last two digits of the serial number (94) and the Eagle 6.

Simson magazines are unique in they have an E6 stamped in the spline of the magazine.

Our conclusion on the nature of this Luger is that is was originally manufactured in 1927 and pulled for presentation or sale as a commercial gun to an Wehrmacht officer with a distinct but unknown unit. If you have seen this or have knowledge of what the SM-2 means please call us.

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When Adolph Hitler became Chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933 the Suhl manufacturers led by Fritz Walther brought to the German Government the accusation that Simson was profiteering from its advantage as the sole producer of the Luger.  While Simson won in the Court of Audit it was then alleged that they were bribing government officials. In 1934 HwaA transferred the contract from Simson to Mauser. In 1933-34 the company was forced to convert to a limited partnership "Berlin-Suhler Waffen und Fahreugwerke, Simson & Co", with government trustees having a final say in the business. Simson & Mayers were prepared to refute this but a considerable bond was required which they jumped to Switzerland in 1936 and came to the US.

 

The small proofs follow the pattern of the early Erfurt and the 1910 order for proof marks. It is difficult to date the Simson since the production records have not revealed themselves. However little signs pop up; the firing pin but it is vented telling us that was produced after 1933.
Above Left: Even the grip screws are proofed with the Eagle 6 making this an extraordinary example of the late 1920's Simson manufactured Luger. The magazine has the Stage I and Stage II proofs on the bottom and the early small proof on the spine of the sleeve.   This tells us the magazine is original to the gun.
Above: The side of the barrel/receiver show from left to right is the E6 on the top of the barrel, the four digit serial number on the left of the receiver and the Eagle 6 and "38" (last two digits of the serial number) on the short sear. We are also drawn to the inclusion of the last two digits of the serial number on the rear main axel pin. In 1932 the Reichswehrministerium issued an order that the rear main axel pin be serial numbered to the gun. Collectors by extrapolation of the number of Simson's produced and average production per month put this in the 1928 production. An enigma that may never be resolved.
Simson Luger
The bottom of the stop lug on the receiver is covered with the factory worker's proofs and the serial number and gauge marking are visible. Simson & Co., received the machinery from the Royal Arsenal at Erfurt and apparently some of the tradesman that worked at the Erfurt factory.  The method of proofing every part is reminiscent of the Erfurt's where no detail was too small in strict if not overzealous adherence to the 1910 proofing law.  What a wonderful gun to study.
 
Viewed at this angle one can see the squareness of the Simson first toggle link.  When production began the edges of the toggle link were rounded suggesting the use of Erfurt produced toggles. There was no functionality to the radius on the toggle other than beauty and Simson wasn't being paid for beauty so that part of the machining of the toggle was squared. Also seen on the right side of the breach block are the two Eagle 6 proofs.

The inside is clean and well cared for over the years. The inside of the gun shows us a very clean and well cared for Luger.  Many Eagle 6 proofs are available all over the gun. We can also see the Weimar "Dove of Peace" proof on the breach block.   This gun is immaculate under the grips, doesn't appear to have been excessively fired contributing to the fine condition of the barrel.

Simson's, due to their limited production and fine quality have become recognized for their investment value by collectors much like the Krieghoff.  If one is to have any Simson in their collection this would be the one. If you are a Simson collector you would know how difficult it is to find one of these late production undated models in this fine of condition. This Luger has been cared for over 89 years now. It is looking for a good home.

It is entirely subjective to give any Luger a rating of excellent or fine, just as it is to declare it xx% blued or strawed. Few Lugers are out of the box new and these are premium priced. Bluing percentages is like Beauty, in the eye of the beholder. We strive to provide pictures so you can judge for yourself if the gun meets your criteria. If you need additional pictures to complete your buying decisions then direct Questions to: josef@phoenixinvestmentarms.com

 

It is difficult to determine the actual date of production.  We know from the serial number of the later guns (1888a known).  Without the rear main axel pin being numbered which was ordered in 1932 and implemented in 1933 puts that gun at the latest a 1928-29 model. Taken over by the German Government not much of the documentation remained and Suhl was in the Soviet Zone after the war and they stole and removed everything and anything they suspected of value. 

 

This are a very difficult Luger to find. Limited production during the late 20's and early 1930's of only 11,900 guns makes it highly desirable. Their rarity has been acknowledged by collectors have made Simson's a good investment gun. This gun with the code SM-2 and no military proofs on the right of the receiver makes it a one of one. This approximately dated 1927 Simson, all matching, with a matching Simson magazine is offered for $6,895.00 over-the-counter and has been already discounted for a cash sale.

We reserve the right to sell any internet offering to a direct sale and do not warrant the availability of any firearm that does not have a physical deposit. This gun may be withdrawn without notice for in-store sale. Call for availability Any questions or request for additional pictures email to josef@phoenixinvestmentarms.com. (1982)

1930 Simson Suhl

 

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