German Luger Collectibles

1908 DWM Navy SOLD

II Torpedo Division

This is a early pistol in the Luger contract series with the Imperial Navy. Originally designated the Selbstladepistole Model 1904 by the Navy for the first contract; this is a 1908 DWM (Deutsche Waffen und Munitions Fabriken) undated Navy.

This piece is a 6 inch (150mm) barreled 9mm Parabellum with the Navy adjustable rear sight and matching Navy magazine. The DWM monogram markings appear on the 1st toggle link and the extractor is marked 'Geladen' (Loaded). This example has all matching serial numbers. The thumb safety is marked "Gesichert" and when exposed (safety down) means safe. (2188)

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Serial number placement is in the civilian ("hidden") style. The serial number appears on the front of the frame, on the bottom of the locking bolt, on the trigger, on the bottom of the barrel, the side plate, and under the first toggle, and the thumb safety.

This is a very difficult gun to find in any condition. The German Navy was a salt-water service and the survivability of the German Imperial fleet was not enviable. Penned into the North and Baltic sea for duty the Navy spent a lot of time in port. The Parabellums were initially issued with the safety up but then with the 1908 conversion to safety down the Navy recalled all the Luger's and had the thumb safety modified. See Kenyon *Lugers at Random* Page 152.


The Marinen Proof and the 3 digit serial number appearing on the bottom of the barrel and the last two digits of the serial number on the stop lug & on the bottom of the first toggle.. (We have lightened the number for your convenience.) .

This Luger has all matching numbers. On the front of the receiver is the four digit serial number 2046b indicating that this is the 12,046st Navy Parabellum produced in 1908 series. Here you can see the matching serial number of the barrel, the front of the frame, the locking lever and the bottom of the side plate plus the grips are numbered to the gun. The rear toggle has the last two digits of the serial number. Above Right:The magazine is the original with the *Marinen* Crown Proof and the matching serial number. The magazine is matching with the *Marinen* Crown Proof & the matching serial number.

The right side of the Parabellum is as clean as a commercial; model without any proofs or stamps (standard configuration on the Navy version). Also seen is the hold-open adjustment knob which has never been reported in any of the research material we have ever seen.

German Submarine Torpedo Crewman

Above Left: The flags of the Imperial Navy from the Kriegsflagge (War Flag) to the Squadron Pennants. There was a special flag for when the Kaiser was aboard the ship.


Navy Lugers were always marked in an non-exposed manner as opposed to the Army guns which marked on the face of the side plate and locking lug. Navy Models were marked on the bottom of the side plate and locking lever as they did with the commercial models. Both the sear and safety stop are marked with the last two digits of the serial number. See Görtz, *The Navy Luger,* See Kenyon *Lugers at Random* Page 156.

The first toggle link is marked with the DWM logo. There is the two-position (100-200m) sight on the rear toggle link and & the last two digits of the serial number appear on the rear toggle. Most of the Imperial Luger's are marked on the right side of the receiver with the Imperial proof marks; the proofing on the "Navy Model" has always been distinctive with the Crown M for Imperial Marinen, the Crown acceptance proof all on the left side.

The toggle and breech block removed for examination. This is a very clean Navy and that this was a saltwater Navy and most surviving Navy representations show evidence of the saltwater. Above right: this is the firing pin, spring, and retainer.

This is a prior-1914 long sear model that prevents the Luger to be cocked when the thumb safety (Gesichert - Above) is in the Fire mode. This problem was solved by one of Georg Luger's last patents shortening the sear on later models.The Parabellum in full recoil shows the rear main axel pin that the Imperial Navy ordered to have an enlarged flange to protect it during recoil. This large flange was not adopted by the army.


The extractor is marked "Geladen" (Loaded) which not only can be seen but also felt by the shooter in the dark. The rear ramp sight is two position for 100 meter and 200 meter sighting. The serial number is on both the short sear and the sear stop. In 1915 Luger shortened the sear so the gun could be cocked without releasing the safety. This Navy is the classic; complete with matching magazine. The wear on the side plate shows this gun was holstered most of its service life. The highlight of the rails and wear at the muzzle are further demonstrations of honest holster wear.

Above: The Navy squeeze-type 200 meter rear sight. This Navy is the classic; complete with matching magazine. The finish shows honest wear and would be rated excellent for an Imperial Navy. This model has a custom or experimental hold open latch and comes with a stock lug.

The 100/200 meter Navy sight. The Navy was issued with a stock and holster similar to the 8" (200mm) Artillery model for the Navy Marines. This is the basic Navy that collectors either add or upgrade into their collections. Truly an Imperial Navy collectors classic gun.


The right side reveals a knob below the ejector which permits that shooter to adjust the height of the hold open. There is no clear path to an answer as to why, perhaps they were experimenting with different multi-round magazines that didn't match the conventional Parabellum extension into the chamber well.

The German Navy had three dockyards — at Wilhelmshaven, Kiel and Danzig. The last named was of minor importance, at least as a fitting-out yard. The dockyard superintendent (Oberwerst Director) was a Rear-Admiral or captain, and is directly subordinate to the Secretary of State. For instanced a Parabellum delivered to Wilhelmshaven and would have subsequently been assigned to a ship where the ships armorer would have placed a unit number for which it was assigned. The absence of this number suggest the Luger wasn't assigned but remained at the Werft in storage or this Parabellum was sent directly to the units serving as infantry after the order to cease unit marking the guns.

Above Left: With this Luger in full recall we can see a large rear axle pin that reflected the recognition that with sufficient wear the rear main axle pin could become loose and prevent the slide from going forward. This was the "Navy's" solution prior to Mauser adding 2 mm to the frame. Above Right: Above the serial numbered trigger are the Imperial Navy acceptance proofs of the crown and the Crown/M.sent directly to the units serving as infantry after the order to cease unit marking the gun

The magazine for this Navy Parabellum is the rolled crimped steal, very clean and functional with the ring wooden bottom and the Imperial Navy proof.

From left to right: the crown proof of the Imperial acceptance, two crown/M, the Geladen marked extractor, another Imperial crown on the breach block, "46" serial number on the sear and the sear stop. Finally the Gesichert (safe) on the thumb safety. The rear toggle has the last two digits of the serial number.


The interior of the Luger is in excellent condition with all the parts matching. The Luger is shown in full recoil and one can see the rear main axel pin and the Imperial Navy proofs. By pushing the thumb safety up we can see where the sear stop can be engaged and moved down to permit the sear to function. The Altered and Second Issue 1906, 1908, 16-17 Navy Models show a clean space under the thumb safety meaning it was ready to fire.

Above Left: notations are made under the barrel at the serial number and naval acceptance proof and in the short seer and seer stop but the last two digits of the serial number. Above Right: here's the side plate with the last two digits of the serial number on the bottom as if this were a commercial gun. There appears to be no "order" specifying how these guns were to be marked, but only the Navy models have this characteristic of the commercial gun markings.

This Luger has all matching numbers. There are many theories as to why the rings on the Navy magazines; 7.65 - vs. - 9mm, to separate the magazines for accountability. In any case it makes it easy to identify a Navy magazine

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